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                            Amnesia .:. Hangover                             
                                                                             
                     Note: Amnesia at this time is iNACTiVE                  
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                         
                            . ..(writers).. .                              
                                                                             
                  Silent Mobius .:. Frost .:. Reich .:. Kurupt               
              TekLord .:. Defender Zeta .:. Method Man .:. Alice             
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              Exulted .:. Cerebus .:. Hell Beast .:. Phaser X                
                               Mass Murderer                                 
                                                                             
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                         
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                   SCuZi .:. Hangover .:. The Cobraman                       
                                                                             
                                                                             
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                         
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                ProZac .:. Tweed .:. O-Tron .:. Smooth .:. tS-               
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   Greets from the RETRO staff to:                                             
                                                                               
           RAZOR, TDT, AMNESiA, COPS, SCuM, DoD, iMPERiAL, TekLordZ,           
           NTM, iNQUiSiTiON, TNT, And All the Scene Membaz!                    
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
 Welcome to Issue #1
  --Welcome to Retro Emag #2--                                                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
            Welcome to another issue of Retro Emag.. Our last release,         
  the mag could not run on quite a few computers, due to the sound problem.    
  I have a GUS, which loads the samples onto the card, which frees up          
  conventional memory, which is not standard on regulsr SB16/Pro Audio         
  Spectrums. This caused the memory buildup of the 300k song. I have totally   
  removed sound in this issue, but my bring it back with smaller tunes         
  in the future.                                                               
                                                                               
            Hence, quite a few people have commented that Retro was a          
  great mag, and I am glad that it had not conflicted with anybody's views.    
  We are currently accepting all kinds of members: Reviewers, Interviewers,    
  and Article writers. If you want to join, join #retro on IRC.                
                                                                               
            This issue has been delayed <Around 2 weeks since first issue      
  had been released>, due to loss of time, however, the greater amount of      
  time has allowed our writers to contribute more of a selection in this issue 
  I hope that you find this fun and enjoyable to read.                         
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
 Info on Retro
  --Info on Retro Electronic Magazine --                                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
  This mag is about the scene,we feel that the scene defently needs such a mag 
  as this. Therefore, we're looking for following:                             
                                                                               
  A) Game reviewer! (Ionizer don't apply!)                                     
  B) Utility reviewer! (Must be very expierenced!)                             
  C) Writers! (At least 1 article/week must be submitted!)                     
  D) Artists! (Must have their work to show!VGA GiFS/ANSi)                     
  E) Interviewers! (1 interview/week must be submitted!)                       
  F) NFO "person" (Will have to update all group nfo's contain in mag weekly!) 
                                                                               
  Well I guess this is it. We will bring you best news/articles/interviews     
  reports/reviews and more.We will be putting out mag weekly, Saturdays at     
  3-4 PM.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Good luck, and expect the best mag of the scene in 1996 - RETRO! -           
                                                                               
  P.S. Fee free to join #retro any time. It is -i.                             
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
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  Attention inquisitive groups!                                                
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
           Retro Electronic Magazine is willing to include your group's        
  .NFO file with all the others, at your request. Slots are filling up, and    
  only well respected groups are chosen <Poll>. Your group is also eligable    
  to publish via Retro a newsletter / information text within an issue         
  of Retro. Simply join #retro on IRC, chat with an OP, and you will be        
  set. Remember, Retro will not be releasing biased articles                   
  towards/against the groups who take up our offer!                            
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
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Articles / Reviews
 New Change in Retro
  --Founder/Editor Leaving Scene--                                             
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
          Yes.. Several problems have come up within the past two weeks,       
  which I must deal with immediately. This electronic magazine will be passed  
  into the hands of ProZac. I will be on IRC, idle most of the time, for I     
  am not at computer 24/7. Also what has changed is email... the default       
  emag email address is NO LONGER amnesia@bridge.net, so DO NOT email me there 
  and DO NOT go to http://www.bridge.net/~amnesia.. i NuKE'd all the ReTRo     
  files, and am not planning on restoring them.. Have fun..                    
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                Amnesia                        
                                                   Retro Founder               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
 The Scene
                                                                               
           How the scene works for the little people.                          
             by: Defender Zeta <TNT>                                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
         I read RCN and iNQ and I wonder what motivates some of the            
     "31337" people on the Net to brand local traders as 'lame'. Without       
     dedicated board traders the 1 and 2 node boards would die. And            
     im sure that people who live their lives on 6+ node boards cannot         
     relate to the level of hard work and dedication that some local           
     traders have. Some buy leech accounts off big boards while others         
     plunder iRC. But to say that these independent and small group traders    
     are lame is totally wrong. Some of them have spent months supporting      
     small boards that are used by up and coming traders.                      
        In many cases they are more dedicated than the group Net traders.      
     While net traders just go to sleep with their scripts on, board traders   
     usually just begin their jobs. They usualy dl off the Net or a big        
     board at about 3am to get the 1 day stuff. They then start ul'ing         
     before they go to school or work. When they get back they might ul to     
     3 or 4 more boards and then begin all over again. Even though they get    
     little respect for being 'slow' they are the only way that the small      
     boards can stay 0-3 day. Many of them leave the local scene the second    
     they are accepted into a group. Luckily there is always someone to        
     take their place.                                                         
         Many of you were like this to a greater or lesser extent before you   
     began to live on iRC. Before you laugh at them just remember that they    
     usually have access to the old warez that even the fastest 0 hour         
     trader is always looking for. My area code has about 5 or so of these     
     individuals. The biggest mover is a guy named Lord Titan. He helps        
     new boards all the time. If you are a sysop, think about the days of      
     when your board was sputtering along at 14.4 and you were saving the      
     money to buy node 2. Who was it that kept your board going? Was it        
     all those k-rad 0 second couriers or the local traders that you           
     befriended and chatted with?                                              
         The local couriers are dying out. The promise of easy 0 hour          
     warez on the net without the hassle of tying their modem(s) up for        
     4 hours is driving these individuals to the Net. They can just join       
     up with a group and quit trading on the small boards. They are            
     usually replaced by another up and comer. But as time goes on and         
     most of the hard working local couriers are joining groups the            
     local scene is sadly dying out. In my AC we are cursed/blessed by         
     the proliferation of big boards. We have The Rock <RZR/MALiCE/PWA>,       
     Malvolence <RZR, DOD, ect..>, and The Private Collection <X-Force,        
     and a ton of others>, plus the lesser 4+ node boards like Big Bobbers,    
     Altered Reality, Masterbation Station, ect.......... ad infinitum.        
     Once a trader join a major group he must spend 99% of his time off        
     the Net ul'ing like mad to get himself on the Weekly Top 10 List.         
     This leaves precious little time for the spreading of warez on the        
     local level <all 5+ node boards are not local boards, they have           
     national visibility>. This is part of the stagnation of warez on          
     the local level.                                                          
         Boards would die right and left if local board traders stopped        
     uploading. Many potential traders would never get into the scene          
     because there would be fewer boards to call. Those who scoff at           
     the small boards would be well served to remember that once upon          
     a time they used to login to boards only. Without traders to keep         
     the boards full of 0-3 day the sysops would just say 'fuck it' and        
     quit. I hope that this never happens because I personally love the        
     flavor of local boards. I know every one and every one kinda knows        
     me on these 'lame' boards. The dirty little secret is that many of        
     the 0 day traders call these boards. Many of them rarely ul since         
     that would occupy too much of their time, but they love to read           
     the message bases and maybe snicker at the 'local lamers'.                
         I traded in my local scene for about 13 months and I know the         
     how hard some local traders work. They usually get killed in the NUV      
     on boards over 4+ nodes, they are ignored by the group traders, and       
     they are branded 'leeches' and 'lamers' by the zero hour crew. Despite    
     all these handicaps they still keep pumping small boards on a daily       
     basis. Many of you that are reading this remember that you were once      
     in this group. The scene wouldn't die if Everlast or RiSC broke up        
     today <both are great groups.. don't get me wrong>, but it would          
     totally suck if these individuals stopped their constant trading. So      
     the next time you see one of these individuals in a NUV or on a local     
     board don't look down upon them. Remeber, you were once there too.        
                                                                               
     Thanx...                                                                  
     Defender Zeta...                                                          
     %#$TNT$#%                                                                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
 What are HQ's for?
                                                                               
                  What are HQ's for?                                           
                    Written By Defender Zeta <TNT>                             
                                                                               
                                                                               
       Recently i've been thinking about why groups have so many HQ's.         
       Why do groups in the 90's need a ton of various HQ's when all the       
       group buisness is conducted over iRC. I suppose that having             
       Park Central, The Wall, or The Rock as HQ's helps to add prestiege      
       to a group. The groups have Canada HQ's, Israel HQ's, South East        
       U.S. HQ's, even Courier HQ's <who the hell couriers FROM boards?>       
       which serve little purpose. I suppose that it is a hold over from       
       ancient days of the long distance courier <way be4 my time>, but        
       why bother? The time of multiple HQ's is over. I understand that        
       some big boards have TeleNet access. I can understand members           
       leaving each other mail on these secure TeleNet sites. If a board       
       is 6+ nodes it seems that the groups make it some type of HQ, even      
       when it serves little purpose.                                          
            The proliferation of HQ's could be considered due to sysops        
       egos. It'd hurt their feelings to run a 8 node board and have it        
       as a mere distro. It matters little that their board is getting         
       the particular group release just as fast as the 2 or 3 node boards     
       in other Area Codes. Since they are 'THE <WHATEVER> USHQ'<in bold       
       caps no less> they DESERVE the respect of their peers/lessers. The      
       need for a proliferation of HQ's is a thing of the past. Some groups    
       date warez by the time that it gets ul'd to their WHQ. This is          
       understandable and makes sense. FTP sites are a better way of dating    
       warez but Park Central or The Wall serves just as well.                 
            Courier HQ's are a silly and retarded idea in todays world         
       of 0 hour FTP sites. No one is gonna call half way around the world     
       to rack up a $5000 a month phone bill just so they can dl 'free'        
       warez. I think that Courier HQ's are pretty dumb. They are              
       just another way for sysops to tell other sysops 'hey! my board is      
       way cooler that yours!'. I see little use or need for them.             
           Next on the my hit list is national HQ's. Ok... i can understand    
       the need to say 'Israel HQ' since most groups are based out of Europe   
       or the USA. They might need these HQ's for keeping records of the       
       local distros or something <depending on the group's orginizational     
       structure>. The groups might also want to do this to show that          
       they have a strong international presence. But why in the hell do       
       groups need to brag that they have almost as many HQ's as distros?      
       The shit hits all the boards at about the same time <give or take       
       a hour>. National HQ's are kinda stupid too. Whats the practical use    
       of a 'Africa HQ' when Africa has no major warez scene <beyond           
       illegal CD's and stuff>. I think that HQ's are just another facet       
       of sysops who are on a ELiTE ego trip. It'd be a shame if their         
       0-3 hour boards were distros. They couldn't brag to other sysops        
       about all their connections. That'd be a shame wouldn't it?             
            This is just a observation. And if some one has a logical reason   
       for the existance of multiple HQ's then i encourage them to             
       rebutt my article in another issue.                                     
                                                                               
       thanx....                                                               
       Defender Zeta...                                                        
       $#%TNT%#$                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
 Too Many .ZiPs?
                                                                               
                                                                               
             Too many .Zips?                                                   
               Written by Defender Zeta                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
    Lately games and especially utils have been pushing past the 30 meg        
    mark on a daily basis. I recently saw Win NT on The Rock. I wondered       
    why groups put their releases in 30+ 1.44 <give or take a few kb>          
    disks. The Win NT release prompted me to wonder what sick soul would       
    actually bother to put all of Win NT on disks. Most sane people would      
    use tape backup or just ul it to a friend. I think that the groups         
    must realize that the era of floppies and small storage mediums is         
    drawing to a close.                                                        
        All games are CD-Rips now a days. Very few utils are released in       
    1.44 format anymore. The day of the 1.44 zip is dead. It's time for        
    the packagers and release groups to begin to put their files in smaller    
    packs. Its a real pain to scroll thru 50 disk releases on boards. The      
    groups need to improve efficency on the Net and on boards. Many times      
    a group of files will be zipped over to make it one bigger .zip for        
    easy spreading on iRC/FTP. This is messy and inefficent.                   
        I have a small proposal, for all games below 10 megs, 1.44 .zips are   
    fine. For any release that 10+ megs the release should have each pack/disk 
    be 10 or so megs.. depending on what the group decides. This will help     
    to organize the large amount of .zips floating around. When io-mega        
    zip drives become big in the PC world <they are HUGE in the Mac universe>  
    the need for 1.44 meg zips will be silly when a 3.5 can hold 100 megs.     
    With less .zips it will be easier to organize large amounts of files       
    <especially for back up purposes>.                                         
                                                                               
                                                                               
     Thanx...                                                                  
     Defender Zeta...                                                          
     %#$TNT$#%                                                                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
Interviews
 Endeavour [COPS]
  --Interview with Endeavour [COPS Founder]--                                  
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Retro    : Hi there Endeavour please tell the readers who you are!           
                                                                               
  Endeavour: I am the "Founder" of COPS.                                       
                                                                               
  Retro    : Can you tell us when you came to the scene and where do you live? 
                                                                               
  Endeavour: Sure, I came to the scene when I was only 8 years old, and I      
             live in NJ.I have learned alot in the last 8 years about the      
             scene and how its changing.                                       
                                                                               
  Retro    : Alot of people think that COPS is a German group.Why do you think 
             they think so and how did COPS emerge?                            
                                                                               
  Endeavour: Ok, well on the German issue, all I have to say is, "What are you 
             talking about?"They might have gotten mixed up with another group 
             Like a person on iRC came into the COPS channel,and asked if they 
             had a PPE Division. I answered "No" and he said he was asking     
             because someone released a PPE under COPS which formatted HD's.   
             This was very disappointing to me.The handle will remain nameless 
             As for how we emerged... DARKL0RD (who is now Senior Council) and 
             myself decided to start a group, and I decided in my word         
             processing class at school of different names, and I thought of   
             COPS which stands for "Couriers of Pirated Software." Many people 
             ask, "If you release, why have a name like 'Courier' in your grou 
             name?"Well,what I have to say to that is that we started the grou 
             couriering,and quickly figured out the scene didn't need couriers 
             because we are taking ideas, so talk to someone that is oppe'd in 
             #c.o.p.s. or go to our web page that will be listed at the end of 
             this newsletter and email it to me.                               
                                                                               
  Retro    : What kind of releases do you specilize?                           
                                                                               
  Endeavour: We specialize in apps, utils, and games.                          
                                                                               
  Retro    : How many members do you have and how are they spread globally?    
                                                                               
  Endeavour: Well, we have around 20-25 members. Yes, we are small, and        
             growing. We are only 4 months old, but we are coming *strong!* We 
             have a couple of members around the globe. One member is in       
             Malaysia and we have an artist that applied that is in "Africa!"  
             <And you thought they HAD no computers! :)> We are based in the   
             USA for those of you that did not know.                           
                                                                               
  Retro    : Well the group is definately new but had some good releases in    
             those 4 short month, what do you think were your best release(s)? 
                                                                               
  Endeavour: NFL ProLeague Football, Voice E-MAIL v.3.0 for Netscape, and      
             Delrina WinFax Pro for Netware v.4.1                              
                                                                               
  Retro    : How is COPS coordinated?Is the power in the hands of a few or the 
             whole group decides on issues of the group?                       
                                                                               
  Endeavour: Well, COPS is ran by the SENIOR COUNCIL but is organized and      
             maintained by the FOUNDER.The power is in the hands of the SENIOR 
             COUNCIL and the FOUNDER.And we have yet to come to an issue where 
             the entire group must decide on it.                               
                                                                               
  Retro    : Where is COPS the strongest? On the net or the boards?            
                                                                               
  Endeavour: Definitely NET though we have some of the BEST boards in the      
             world, which are rated in the TOP 5 category                      
                                                                               
  Retro    : What are your boards?                                             
                                                                               
  Endeavour: Ok, some of our best boards are:                                  
                                                                               
  Endeavour: Malevolence - USA HQ, Intoxication - EUROPE HQ                    
                                                                               
  Retro    : How do you mainly spread your files?  Do only your couriers do    
            most of the spreading or you get help from couriering only groups? 
                                                                               
  Endeavour: Well, we have our own couriers that courier to "COPS Private      
             Sites"and we also have some of our brothers and sisters at MALiCE 
             Couriering to our sites to help us out. We also have some LD      
             Couriers who courier to those boards I mentioned.                 
                                                                               
  Retro    : What are your feelings toward the scene?  How has it changed over 
             the years?                                                        
                                                                               
  Endeavour: Well my feelings toward the scene have always stayed the same: I  
             "love" it even if someone rips me off in a trade, or they try to  
             hack into my account!The scene is always gonna be great and there 
             are always going to be lamers, but strong groups will put them to 
             silence. I think, that the scene has shifted from BBS ---> INET   
             and that this change is good in a way of SPEED,accesibility,etc., 
             but you loose the competition of uploading on BBS'. I personally  
             miss the "good old days :)"                                       
                                                                               
  Retro    : Can you quickly rate the top 5 util, game, couriering groups?     
                                                                               
  Endeavour: UTIL: DOD, PWA, CORP, DEMOLITION, and PINNACLE                    
                                                                               
  Endeavour: GAME: Hybdrid, RAZOR, Legacy, X-Force, and Mayhemdisker from      
                                                                               
  Endeavour: COURIERING = RiSC, MALiCE, MINDCRASH, RTS, and MOTIV8             
                                                                               
  Retro    : What new groups do you think have a future of surviving the chaos 
             of the scene?                                                     
                                                                               
  Endeavour: For definite, COPS                                                
                                                                               
  Endeavour: I do not know of any decent NEW groups that are good, so I wont   
             mention any                                                       
                                                                               
  Retro    : What is your opinion on how TKLP is portrayed in differnt zines?  
                                                                               
  Endeavour: Well, i personally do not know the "entire" story with what       
             happened with him and RoR and all, but to my group, or myself, he 
             hasn't dont anything to harm us.                                  
                                                                               
  Retro    : What do you want to say to that fucker that released a fake ppe   
             under your name?                                                  
                                                                               
  Endeavour: Well, to go fuck himself first, then come to me and tell me "why" 
             he did it, and then apologize!                                    
                                                                               
                                                                               
  --Interview conducted with Endeavour [COPS Founder]                          
 T800 [TDT]
  --Interview with T800, The Dream Team's new leader--                         
                                                                               
                                                                               
          The scene has seen a large increase in the return of dead groups.    
  Among some of the most prominant is the return of The Dream Team.  The       
  group founded by Hard Core is being lead back onto the scene with The Sniper 
  and T800 at the helm.The group has also picked up some major names including 
  Touch Tone, Devious Doze, Chineze Eyez, Dorian Hawkmoon,LeoDlion, Axxis and  
  Mysticone. I recently had a chance to talk with T800 on IRC and would like   
  to pass on his vision of TDT to you guys.                                    
                                                                               
  Retro : T800, how long have you been involved in the scene?                  
                                                                               
  T800  : I have been out on the net and irc for about a year but have been    
          involved in the scene for about 3 years. I have not been to active   
          on my local scene for awhile. I call Convulsion on occassion but I   
          don't download much. Between TDT and school I basically don't have   
          the time.                                                            
                                                                               
  Retro : So how did the comeback of TDT get started?                          
                                                                               
  T800  : I got started with the comeback a little more than a month ago. TDT  
          will mainly be a games release group but who know we may release a   
          few utils. But to begin with we will stick with games.               
                                                                               
  Retro : Now that you are on the net how do you feel it will help the scene?  
                                                                               
  T800  : Sure thing, the net is big and has the ability to allow the crackers 
          and suppliers to get it out fast. We also won't have to use cc's so  
          much except for some of the bbs courriers. With the fast ftp sites   
          and a good bbs net a group can get their releases out really fast.   
                                                                               
  Retro : Do you think TDT will be able to compete with Razor and Napalm?      
                                                                               
  T800  : Sure we will if my ideas work. We have an organization setup that I  
          feel will help us coordinate very efficently. We will for example,   
          set up a seperate IRC channels for recruits and members. I want only 
          members to be in the main channel.                                   
                                                                               
  Retro : Do you think that with comapnies moving towards CD-ROM's will kill   
          the scene?                                                           
                                                                               
  T800  : Maybe for awhile, until more people get connected to fast wires.     
          Once people get 2+ Mbits connections it will gain be easy to put out 
          complete games and not just rips.But I think that will take 4-5 year 
          before we see that, depending on where ya live.                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  TDT is scheduled to begin releases soon! I would like to thank T800 for the  
  time he took to chat with me about the scene.                                
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Interview Condudcted by Reich - Warez Shack - TDT-DRS-MALiCE                 
     Personal greets:  August West, Darkened Light, Eyez, Mastrhack, D0rian,   
                       Amnesia, Cybphreak, Slate, T800 and Key.                
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
 Pericles [RiSC]
  --Interview with Pericles--                                                  
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Retro    : Hello Pericles, What groups are you in?                           
                                                                               
  Pericles : RiSC/NAPALM. Gonna join back up with PWA once I start calling out 
             again ..                                                          
                                                                               
  Retro    : Ok, how would you describe your role in each of these groups?     
                                                                               
  Pericles : For RiSC I bring stuff from  boards to the net and to the main    
             site, or at least I uised to.  Right now I just nettrade between  
             the major risc sites etc.  For napalm, when we release, I spread  
             the release to a HQ of Prophet's choice..                         
                                                                               
  Retro    : Risc is obviously a big name couriering group.. very prestigious, 
             how would you say risc compates to any other couriering groups    
             you have been in?                                                 
                                                                               
  Pericles : Very well organized.. MALICE was a animal house. In RiSC everyone 
             respects eachother and eachother's ability to get the job done.In 
             MALiCE,Dorian's order blew out of my ass like cacaphanous barking 
                                                                               
  Retro    : Now I've heard things from unnamed sources that Risc double or    
             strip tags.I even saw a double dizzed release with a no name      
             group and risc.  I think it was an accident but how you reply to  
             accusations of double/strip tagging?                              
                                                                               
  Pericles : I'm sure it's been done, it happens to the best of us.  We NEVER  
             strip-tag, although the occasional double tag is only an accident 
             If I'm gonna spread to the local lame boards I'm gonna dirdiz     
             everything cuz I really dont give a hoot :)  Most of the          
             double-tagging is tagging over some other group who pretagged.    
                                                                               
  Pericles : And pretagging is just lame                                       
                                                                               
  Retro    : I see, would you like to comment on napalm? A seemingly brilliant 
             release group, dedicated to speed releases?                       
                                                                               
  Pericles : I figure we have been around what, 2 months maybe?  How long has  
            the other groups been around? We are already compeeting on a level 
             with groups that have been around for years.                      
                                                                               
  Pericles : Maybe 3 months, I dunno :)                                        
                                                                               
  Retro    : Agreed, do you know what precautions are to be taken so future    
             releases will not have any bugs? Non-working releases seem to     
             plague napalm..                                                   
                                                                               
  Pericles : The only thing that can be done is having the suppliers/packagers 
             check the game repeatevly before releasing.  Prophet has stated   
             that he will start checking the games over and over before        
             releasing, and I'm confident in his ability to do that.  Hell,    
             that's probably why we haven't released much lately.              
                                                                               
  Retro    : In issue #1 of RETRO, Prozac named you to be one of the best      
             traders in the scene today. Which 5 traders would you say are the 
             best, in your opinion. (inclueding yourself)                      
                                                                               
  Pericles : I dunno if the people I am about to mention want me exploiting    
             their names or nothing, but thats o.k.  Mr.Skill and his EVR clan 
             have been rocking the board scene for years and continue to do so 
             The Outlaws rocks the Germany scene and Risc's WHQ.  Established  
             nettraders would be Darkside, Darkhosis, Shatter Star, and Prozac 
             There is a whole slew of net traders but those are the            
             best ones.  There are also a lot of local traders that are lucky  
             enough to be local to a big board,and they know who they are,so a 
             shot goes out to them too.                                        
                                                                               
  Pericles : I'd like to take this moment to say that Site'ops who are taking  
             warez people give them via their site and trading them to the     
             boards are ruining the scene :)                                   
                                                                               
  Retro    : Hows that?                                                        
                                                                               
  Pericles : First off, they have a direct T3 link to the net and whenever     
             something gets released they get it first.  It doesnt seem fair   
             to the people who are trading with 28.8's across the land and     
             arent lucky enough to be going to a nerdy-ass computer college    
             where everyone gets direct links to the net.. And most of the     
             time, they are racing people who put the warez on the site in     
             the first place.  Blah, they run a site, thats all they have to   
             do.  Leave the trading to the traders.                            
                                                                               
  Retro    : So do you think that the major boards shouldn't be equipped with  
             ISDN and such?                                                    
                                                                               
  Pericles : Well I'm a believer to keep the old scene alive.. the scene has   
             been doing great and ISDN would only complicate things.  If all   
             the major boards had TELNET then all the BBS traders would be out 
             of jobs.                                                          
                                                                               
  Retro    : Well let me ask you who do you think are the best couriering      
             groups in the scene today. in terms of skill and the product they 
             produce?                                                          
                                                                               
  Pericles : Well, in their own right, EVR, consisting of only like 6 guys, do 
             the job of what a group full of people does.  They are probably   
             the fastest guys in the scene, but I reckon RiSC is the one who   
             spreads the most files to the most boards.  All the other groups  
             will come and go.. RiSC has been around for years,and we all know 
             EVR is Everlasting :)                                             
                                                                               
  Retro    : ok,I think Request To Send got a lot of glam and glitz from RCN,I 
             myself have only seen 1 tagged release by RTS?Or am I just out of 
             it?                                                               
                                                                               
  Pericles : No, you're in it.  RTS is mighty in spirit but their couriering,  
             flat out, be stanking. A few years ago the original RTS was good, 
             very good. But now I think it's time for them to make thier leave 
                                                                               
  Retro    : Ok,I'm going to ask you a question,please don't laugh.I know fATE 
             a bad rep, (doh) and #fatefiles doesn't make it                   
             any better. They have a lot of arrogant kids doing the dcc thing. 
             but I think the dcc thing has gotten them a lot of respect from   
             lamers of the net.. How to you feel about fate in terms of        
             couriering ability (traders not the dcc kids) and their image?    
                                                                               
  Pericles : Thats the first problem, they dont have any traders.  Anti-D is a 
             cool kat, but I heard he got busted (?).  Other than him, I think 
             fATE is more worthless than a truckfull of illegal immagrants.    
             They are like 200 strong, and they can't courier worth a fuck.    
             DCC traders are just the epitome of lameness. Offering files to a 
             bunch of lamers, 50% of who are probably feds, just doesn't       
             tickle my nipples.                                                
                                                                               
  Retro    : Ouch. I see, yeah yeah..                                          
                                                                               
  Retro    : Ok final question, Razor,how do you feel about them?I don't think 
             they like you very much..                                         
                                                                               
  Pericles : Welp.  Their organization, I believe, is a little fucked up now.  
             Their net team has like 50 people in it, half of which are        
             coordinators or something or other.  I was friends with the old   
             courier coordinator and was thinking of joining back, but they    
             didn't want traders,they wanted people who would trade ONLY razor 
             stuff when they wanted you to. I was like, fuck that shit,I wanna 
             trade some TDU-JAM warez.  Ah well.                               
                                                                               
  Retro    : Ok!Thanks for giving me the time to interview you. Any additional 
             comments?                                                         
                                                                               
  Pericles : Sure i'd just like to send a shot out to everyone who helped me   
             grow in the scene, because you sure can't do it alone. Thanks for 
             the interview, C&C later?                                         
                                                                               
  Retro    : maybe                                                             
                                                                               
  Pericles : Bad religion 96 baby!                                             
                                                                               
  Retro    : metallica at lolapaloza!                                          
                                                                               
  Pericles : Metallica at lotsapoorlozers                                      
                                                                               
  Retro    : hah.. that's alt. for you.                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Interview conducted by Frost, on some late night! :)                         
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
 DraPPer
  --Interview with DraPPer, SiteOp of TXXXXX--                                 
                                                                               
  Retro  : Hi, I'm Prozac from retro magazine, how are you today?              
  Drapper: Do I know you ? ;D Tired, its 11:30 and I just finished a problem   
           set here.                                                           
  Retro  : Hehhe, college is a bitch isn't it? Well, let's start with the      
           mandatory questions. What groups are you in, and what do you do?    
  Drapper: Right now, officialy, I am independent. Unofficialy I am in many    
           groups. The reason I am independent is that I want to avoid         
           conflicts with enemy groups since I have friends all over the       
           place. I can't quit or join a group whenever a split happens or     
           for political reasons. I try to keep myself out of politics as      
           much as I can and to keep steady friendships.                       
  Retro  : What do you do then? Just hang around in channels?                  
  Drapper: Yep, I hang around in channels I won't mention them since they're   
           are many and I do not hang in all of em all the time.               
  Retro  : Isn't there something else you do?                                  
  Drapper: Well, I have my studies, although people see me logged in almost    
           18-24 hours/day, that doesn't mean I am in front of my monitor,     
           nor does that mean that I am a looser in real life. I guess people  
           who know my real life respect the place I currently study. Of       
           course I take care of my site.                                      
  Retro  : Site, so your a SiteOp?                                             
  Drapper: Yep, I run a site - Don't ask for affils since that is independent  
           as well for the above reasons. It's not a oh-the-best-site-around   
           but I am satisfied by its speed as a Win95 site.                    
  Retro  : Is it better to be independent? Would you suggest that to all       
           SiteOps?                                                            
  Drapper: Depends. If someone just opened a site, it's not good to be         
           independent. He has to get some affils so he can start from a place 
           and, of course, he won't try to target big groups but average ones. 
           If a siteop is advanced and has made many affils with good traders  
           then I strongly advise it.If a site can get all or most of the best 
           traders around then there is no need for group affils. That way one 
           avoids BBS leeching and gets releases fast.                         
  Retro  : When you first started, who was your affils?                        
  Drapper: I started with MoTiv8. I was a beginner on the scnee, didn't know   
           anything at all. After M8 I moved to RTS, then came fate for a      
           week. After that PNT. With PNT, I learned many stuff about the      
           scene and I owe that to their President. After PNT came malice.     
           Finally, now that I dropped all affils, all the big courier groups  
           support my site.                                                    
  Retro  : How long have you been a SiteOp?                                    
  Drapper: I run my site for 8 months now.                                     
  Retro  : Okay, in that span of time, haven't you met some cool people,       
           and a lot of annoying and lame people?                              
  Drapper: Haha tell me about it. I met all the cool and all the lame people   
           you can imagine. First of all,I get to meet all the coolest traders 
           around but that's not the exciting part.                            
  Retro  : Any stories you'd like to mention?                                  
  Drapper: Lots of them, and I will emphasize on lame ones.                    
           Every single day I get on irc i will receive at least 30 msgs       
           asking only for accounts. After a point I became really bitchy      
           and very rude since I had all traders I needed on my site.          
           Peple will usually start with a phrase like:                        
           "Hey DraPPer dude how are u ? " or " Hey u are DraPPer who runs     
           that cool site TXXXXX ?"                                            
           The best message I ever got is:                                     
           "I hear all people saying TXXX this LA that CRC this Enigma that."  
           Of course I reply in the style:"Never hear to what lame rumors say" 
           Then I say a plain NO.                                              
           If someone insists, then I start getting pissed, and usually thats  
           why most people go spreading all around how much of an asshole      
           I am and how bitchy I am. But even that doesn't seem to reduce the  
           daily number of messages I get! Although I have to admit that I had 
           some cases where I though that people who messaged me were lame but 
           finally proved to be worthy uploaders. I wont mention names but I   
           had two cases in the last month were I proved to be wrong. They     
           finally succeded getting an account by insisting over days and      
           days and finding all sorts of references.                           
  Retro  : Your saying then that you have to grow some patience, and also      
           give some people a chance?                                          
  Drapper: Exactly. Even the best siteops should not get mad on the first      
           message. If the other side insists over and over then I suggest he  
           better give a trial account. He doesn't have to loose anythin       
           anyway. There are cases that prove worthy (altough scarce lately).  
  Retro  : Where do you think these people hear about your site?               
  Drapper: I have no clue,but it seems that my site is more known that it used 
           to be the first 2-3 months, and I try to keep every single nfo      
           about my site secret I change ports very much and also take some    
           other measures, and its something that I don't really like, since   
           its is dangerous both for a bust and also wasting my time on IRC.   
  Retro  : What would be the ratio of rejections of no's verus yes is?         
  Drapper: Well i can say something like 100:1, 100 no's to 1 yes              
  Retro  : Ouch, why so tough?                                                 
  Drapper: Well if I have around 30 messages everyday and I add only 1 per     
           week the ratio gets out to be like this. If you want a lameass site 
           you can get on all people. Even trial accounts make it worse.       
           If you make 30 trial accounts that only 1 might be worthy the rest  
           29 that will get kicked will be mad which of course poses a serious 
           danger about security. So I prefer to call me asshole and keep my   
           site closed than have a lameass site with 1000 accounts on.         
  Retro  : Back on lamers, what are some examples people use on you to         
           make them seem like there worthy?                                   
  Drapper: Well I get ppl that say these things:                               
           Hey I am top trader in the FATE WHQ.                                
           Of course I then laugh in front of my screen and my roomates wonder 
           why I am laughing with my PC.                                       
  Retro  : What is the surefire way to get on your site, and the surefire way  
           to get rejected?                                                    
  Drapper: To get rejected you just have to msg me without references to get   
           accepted I have established a list of ppl that I find worthy of     
           judging good or bad traders.                                        
           If some1 comes and tell me hey drapper X,Y and Z will vouche for me 
           and they will do then he gets in. Its a very common event that even 
           though people find vouchers when these people come to me            
           they say no! And then I am in very awkward position.                
  Retro  : Such as?                                                            
  Drapper: The list consits of the followin people:                            
           Lester-Simage-ArchVile-Nhawk-Liquidator-Darwin-Shatter-Darkhosis-   
           Nevermind-Ionizer-Prozac                                            
           I change every once a while but that mainly because I forget people 
           or I remember new ones. Bootknock for example.                      
  Retro  : Is there sure fire groups to get in to get on your site?            
  Drapper: Well there is only 1 group that I would gladly put on as official.  
  Retro  : RiSC?                                                               
  Drapper: Easy to guess eh ? Right now I get some support from their          
           couriers. But not from their best ones.                             
  Retro  : Who are some of your best couriers, currently.                      
  Drapper: Well I cant really say since that is private site info but I can    
           tell who I think the top traders irrelevant of my site.             
  Retro  : Go ahead.                                                           
  Drapper: Darkhosis-Shatter-Lester/Prozac (on a par) then after these         
           there are many couriers that have good potential, and of course     
           provide good competition, like Darwin(used to be on my top 5 but    
           has real life work lately), Pericles, Nevermind...                  
  Retro  : Do you think some siteops grow an ego as soon as the site becomes   
           extremely popular?                                                  
  Drapper: Of course they do and myself is not an exception. I can             
           clearly see a big change on my atittude the last 2 months that I    
           saw a certain boost on my site. Of course I try to calm down and    
           that's what I advise most good siteops to do. There are famous      
           examples of people having good site and actually getting slower     
           day by day due to the siteop ego. I won't mention names here.       
  Retro  : Can we just hint, and say the site begins with a D?                 
  Drapper: Ehm cough ugh I won't say that either. Its known that I was not     
           in good affils with the mentioned siteop, but lately we are on fine 
           terms and that's how I like it to stay unless he wishes the         
           opposite where again its np for me.                                 
  Retro  : Why do siteops fight with one another? Seems odd..                  
  Drapper: Well, it mainly the ego. If there are 2 siteops that have over      
           average ego then there is a big fight, usually though the best      
           siteop never fight since they know that they are the best and they  
           don't need to prove anything, but there are many prick siteops out  
           there more than me.                                                 
  Retro  : Well do you think the people who bug and annoy you add on to        
           being a prick? Or is it just ego?                                   
  Drapper: I think people who bug.Well my site has reached a certain point and 
           it doesnt get more due to OS limits. When you have many people      
           bugging ya and making you waste time then eventually you have to    
           get tough and be rude. Ego plays a role but I am sure that if you   
           get the lamest siteop bugged by 100 people/day then he will be      
           pissed as well.                                                     
  Retro  : Has your real life attitude changed due to being a siteop? What     
           about your sanity?                                                  
  Drapper: Haha the answer is definetly NO. Real life is completely differnt   
           from IRC. Of course, in real I am assertive as I am in here but     
           the IRC life doesn't affect real life and if i see it does          
           sometimes then I just take some time off IRC. Although I have       
           people all around my dorm prasing for being able to get them all    
           the warez they need that doesnt affect my real life.                
  Retro  : Do you think if you weren't a siteop, you'd be where you are right  
           now?                                                                
  Drapper: Definetely no, I could be here as a courier,but studies doesn't let 
           time for couriering. Even as a siteop I have devoted too much       
           time I must admit.                                                  
  Retro  : So warez and college really don't mix too well?                     
  Drapper: Definetely yes. Ware and college just dont get together. Now I am   
           freshman and that make things more easy. From next year I wont be   
           devoting any time at all on my site/IRC for sure.                   
  Retro  : About your site, what changes did you do to make it go faster and   
           faster? Suggestions to siteops?                                     
  Drapper: Well on a win95 site there is not much you can do, My suggestions   
           will be the following:                                              
           -Go get Serv-U ver2.0 NOW!                                          
           -Get a script that counts dl/ul and makes a stats list (and I won't 
           reveal who has it right now)                                        
           -Make some scripts of ur own if u know how to code                  
           I added some stuff myself and I am waiting some more scripts to     
           arrive soon. It is possible to make a dupe checker, zip processor   
           and stuff on servu                                                  
  Retro  : What OS would you suggest?                                          
  Drapper: #1 choice is LINUX. But in my opinion, this means that you have     
           2 machines linux cannot be used for personal everyday life needs    
           you cant write papers, burn cd's and such stuff as easy as in       
           win95. Word 7 is not compared to TeX and that's something everyone  
           has to realize, and if you have a dedicated machine then linux      
           is the only choice for a good site,although still u will need a goo 
           ftpd (which again I wont say where u can find that)                 
  Retro  : Have you spent a lot of your own money on the site?                 
  Drapper: Nope, I spend my money on buying a machine for my own use.          
           After this I just grabbed serv-u and a reg code and the site was    
           up. I spend a lot of time though which is more importnant for me    
           at this moment than money.                                          
  Retro  : When cable modems become the standard(if ever), don't you think     
           they'll serverly kill the use of siteops?                           
  Drapper: No way, Users dont really know a certain defect of cable modems.    
           I made some business plans about cable modem companies and it       
           was known that with cable modems you cannot upload! While you can   
           download on speeds like 27Mbits/sec you can upload in a very very   
           slow speed, which of course is not at all convenient for a siteop.  
  Retro  : Well that just about wraps it up. Would you like to mention         
           anything not touched upon?                                          
  Drapper: Well I just like to give some greets to people I like(and hope they 
           like me) PGhost(retired almost from the scene)-ArchVile-NeverMind-  
           Darwin-Lester-Nhawk-BootKnock-Prozac                                
  Drapper: aaah and something else very important:                             
           IF I FIND SOME1 BUGGING FOR ACCOUNTS AFTER READING THIS ARTICLE I   
           WILL MAKE SURE HE GETS KILLED IN A FEW MINS                         
  Retro  : Well thanks for your time. One very last question, the ever popular ,
           who are the top courier/util groups.                                
  Drapper: Okay in my opinion these are the top Courier groups:                
           #1 RiSC                                                             
           #2 Cant really say after the Malice/Amn                             
           #3 TnT and the rest run-of-the-mill groups                          
                                                                               
  Interview with Drapper conducted on Friday, March 29, by ProZac.             
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
 Winter Hawk [MALiCE]
  --Interview with Winter Hawk, conducted by Silent Mobius--                   
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Retro   : Hi Winterhawk, I'm Silent Mobius from Retro Emag, here to          
            interview you today. How are you doing today my friend?            
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: I am great and you?                                                
                                                                               
  Retro   : Fine, thank you. I've got a few questions to ask you today         
            Regarding the old Malice situation. I've already interviewed       
            Prozac, and I'd just like your opinions too. Is that ok?           
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: Sure....                                                           
                                                                               
  Retro   : Now, from what people heard, Malice kind of broke up, and split    
            up into Amnesia, am I not right?                                   
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: That is correct, it seems some of the people decided to split      
            off and form a new group due to what I have been told is           
            philosophic differences.                                           
                                                                               
  Retro   : Yes, of course. I have already interviewed Prozac, and he has      
            given me HIS point of view. What is your story on this whole       
            thing?                                                             
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: My view point is that people come and go in groups.  My            
            opinion of the people that left Malice to form Amnesia are         
            some of the finest couriers in the world..                         
            They had different ideas about what a group is. The people that    
            left for Amnesia were more into individual goals versus those      
            of a team or a group. I personally move files for the end          
            result which is to get them to bbs couriers. I enjoy seeing        
            my name in the top ten of a site but that is not the ultimate      
            reason for moving a file.                                          
                                                                               
  Retro   : Of course! What you have said, I've heard from many                
            people, so you might not be lying =) I've heard MANY MANY          
            people say those who left for Amnesia were egotistic people (I'm   
            not gonna mention who said what), and one of them agreed that      
            there were egotistic people who left Malice                        
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: I am sorry, but I do agree with that.                              
                                                                               
  Retro   : Can you tell me what happened to the breaking of Malice?           
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: Malice started to break apart at the differences in the way        
            that the leaders wanted to run the group, there was a HUGE         
            break down in some communication on certain matters. Some new      
            members were being brought into Malice and instead of talking      
            about the difference it was always fighting. Some members did      
            not "get their way" so it was easier to pick up and leave          
            rather than speak like adults and work out the differences.        
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Retro   : Yes, I also heard that some council members were putting down      
            members in the group. I mean, really pounding on them. Prozac      
            agreed with me on this, and said he probably himself played a      
            minor role in it too. Is that true?                                
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: I think some members of the old council thought certain members    
            were too 'leet enough. I hate that term "leet", what does it mean. 
            Some of the old council thought I was favored to much just because 
            I am female, that was crazy.                                       
                                                                               
  Retro   : Hehe. Yes, many of them also think they are 'superior' in 'surfing 
            the net' =) against other members. I guess their intention was to  
            make people LISTEN to them. So tell me, did you play any part in   
            putting members down as well?                                      
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: Look, moving warez is a hobby for most of us normal folks. When    
            it starts to take control of your life and make you a different    
            person, it is time to step back and say "Is this a hobby and Do    
            I need a life".                                                    
                                                                               
  Retro   : Of course. I certainly agree with that. When it begins to actually 
            glue your face to the monitor and get a sun tan off the radiation, 
            it is time to stop.                                                
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: I rarely try to pull rank on a person and put them down, I had     
            a "fight" with one ex-member who refused to move to Malice         
            sites unless out site ops personally asked him, I mean what is     
            up with that?                                                      
                                                                               
  Retro   : So tell me, who were some of these council members? Or would it be 
            better to keep their names private, or do you think they should be 
            revealed and give the insiders of Retro on who they are??          
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: I am like you and all the other people on the net, a human being.  
            I try to treat people with the same respect I want to be treated   
            with. I do not wish to site names or point fingers.. Its really    
            not fair. I will say that some of the behavor that was done after  
            the members left was very childish.                                
                                                                               
  Retro   : Of course, same thing Prozac said. =) Prozac also mentioned that   
            he'd like to apologize for what he did. He said he left the group  
            about 2 weeks after amnesia formed, and didn't say a word about    
            leaving and he said that you were quite pissed off at him. What    
            would you comment on that?                                         
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: Prozac and I spoke about how he left Malice. It was wrong. I       
            accpected Prozac's apology and we have moved from there.           
            Prozac is a friend and as always will be.                          
                                                                               
  Retro   : Ok, great, I'm sure I helped solve that (j/k)                      
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: I was personally hurt at how some of the members handled leaving   
            Malice. They were childish in the way they did it.                 
                                                                               
  Retro   : Would you say Malice's success would continue on? Wiggley, a       
            friend of mine, mentioned to me that Malice lossed MANY            
            egotistical people, and there is a MUCH MUCH nicer environment     
            in Malice now. Would you agree with that also?                     
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: The only ex-Malice meber that left right was Dxfer, he left sad    
            and needed time to think. Then he made his decisions.              
                                                                               
  Retro   : Of course. Dxfer was considering several groups, and he was a      
            very nice guy, if I must say so, but of course, I've only chatted  
            with him several times.                                            
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: Malice is a GREAT enviroment now. We are a TEAM now.  Actually     
           I have taken a smaller role in Malice now that we are back on       
            our feet again. Dxfer is in my other group and a dear friend and   
            THE WORLD'S GREATEST COURiER!                                      
                                                                               
  Retro   : Wiggley told me Malice lossed one egotistical prick, and said he   
            loves the environment in Malice now, and said it was very nice. He 
            said before, it was too much "listen to me" kind of thing. Would   
            you agree with that also?                                          
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: Yes, I would, in my opinion even though groups are structured      
            with Leaders, Council, Seniors...etc, I think that everyone in     
            the group should have a say so. Let me say something else for the  
            record please while on this subject...                             
                                                                               
  Retro   : Yes, that is what I say too. I know we are all in this for fun;    
            if you are so elite on the net, it doesn't make you cool in real   
            life; it just shows how you don't have a damn life surfing in      
            cyberspace! This is all leisure, eh?                               
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: I have been accused of wanting Malice to be like my release        
            group Masque, that is further from the truth.  Masque is           
            am awesome group but not for the warez but for the people.         
            I would love all people to experience the feeling of being in      
            a group like Masque but Malice can not be like that.               
            To many people going in and out all the time. But I do want        
            Malice to be about teamwork and helping their fellow member.       
                                                                               
  Retro   : there are MANY great couriers out there, but if a team worked      
            against any individual, the team would win. So, would you say      
            the new formed amnesia is stronger than your group?                
            I mean, physically, not mentally... Malice is a great group        
            mentally...                                                        
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: Amnesia is a great group and yes, they are better as a courier     
            group than Malice but mentally I bet it is a Snake's Den. To       
            much competition amongst each other. That breeds contempt.         
            That is what happened in Malice.                                   
                                                                               
  Retro   : So, who would you rate as the top overall couriering groups in     
            the world, the top 3 in order.                                     
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: At this time, Risc, Amnesia and Malice. I am told Everlast is      
            good but they have no real presence on the INET.                   
                                                                               
  Retro   : Everlast is great, and even Prozac said they have slowed down.     
            Who would you rate as the top 3 couriers?                          
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: Prozac, Darkhosis and damn there are a whole bunch tied at 3..:)   
                                                                               
  Retro   : So you would say Prozac is AHEAD of dhosis? =)                     
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: Without a doubt.                                                   
                                                                               
  Retro   : I myself, found Prozac REALLY good too.                            
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: Darkhosis is a great courier but all around Prozac wins hand down. 
                                                                               
  Retro   : When I asked Prozac, he modestly <grin> said he wasn't anywhere    
            near number 1 =) he rated FOUR people ahead of himself!!           
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: Prozac is a fine tuned machine and he is without an ego.           
                                                                               
  Retro   : Prozac said that Darkhosis/Shatter/HR/Lester are better than him.. 
            what would you say about each of these 4 people?                   
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: Anyone could be number one, it takes hard work and diligence.      
            DarkHosis is awesome, he does BBS as well I am told. Shatter is    
            my bro, he is great as well. Hr and Lester have the connections    
            to get files fast and two of the biggest egos in the world.        
                                                                               
  Retro   : Wiggley said same thing about HR's ego... But of course, I respect 
            Wiggley... he's in my area code, 604, and is a cool guy...         
                                                                               
  Wintrhwk: Hr and my fights are well documented. HR and I were two lamers     
            together in Motiv8. We were close friends but something happened   
            to him. Power and greed.                                           
  --End Interview--                                                            
                                                                               
  Interview conducted by Silent Mobius with Winter Hawk on Monday, March 25  . 
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
